WHAT WOULD HAPPEN if Wladimir Klitschko decided to call out a 174 lbs opponent for his next heavyweight world championship fight (= an opponent who is 60 lbs lighter than his current opponents)?
What would happen if Wladimir Klitschko called out 34-11 guy (who has lost 2 of his last 3 fights, including a loss to an opponent who was 11-2 and 191 lbs)?
What would happen if the next world championship opponent earned his title fight by beating three bums[?] (6-8, 13-4, 16-27)?
What would happen if Vitali Klitschko decided to call out a 37-30 opponent (= bum[?]) for his next world championship fight?
What would happen if Wladimir Klitschko decided to stage a world championship against a 197 lbs boxer who had only 7 fights (of which only 2 had been real heavyweight fights 200×2)?
Or if Wladimir Klitschko decided to lose all his muscles, go all the way down to 197 lbs and then fight another 197 lbs opponent?
Or even go down to 185 lbs to stage a world championship against another 185 lbs (who never had and never will have a single real heavyweight fight 200×2)?
Simple. Fans would get upset, cancel their PPV subscriptions or lose their interest in boxing altogether.
Or they would laugh and accuse Klitschko of cherry-picking and the division of being "the greatest joke in history"
Yet, exactly such opponents and circumstances HAPPENED and are USED AS A PROOF of the GREATNESS of past eras.
Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier all fought exactly such opponents in exactly such world championship fights.
Joe Louis vs ·Jim Braddock (197 lbs vs 197 lbs) (world heavyweight title 1937)
Joe Louis vs ·Tony Musto (37-30 whole career) (World heavyweight title 1941)
Joe Louis vs ·Billy Conn 174 lbs (Unification(!) world heavyweight title 1937)
Rocky Marciano 184 lbs vs ·Roland LaStarza 185 lbs (World heavyweight title 1953)
Muhammad Ali vs ·Leon Spinks 197 lbs, 7-0 at bout, 26-17 whole career (WBA+WBC world heavyweight title 1978)
Muhammad Ali vs ·George Chuvalo, 34-11 at bout, coming off a loss to a 11-2, 191 lbs guy (world heavyweight title 1966)
Joe Frazier vs Dave Zyglewicz, who earned his title fight by beating Pedro Sanchez (6-8), Bob Felstein (13-4), Willie Johnson (16-27) and Levi Forte (18-19) (world heavyweight title 1969)
The same fans and experts who declare that "Joe Louis still holds the record for most heavyweight championships won" (which includes world title opponents like mentioned above) have no problems to declare that the current heavyweight division (which excludes such title opponents like mentioned above) is weak.
The same fans who complain about a "dire Klitschko era" have no problem to declare Ali's era to be "The golden Age", yet half of Ali's opponents wouldn't be allowed nowadays or would be a proof of how Klitschko sucks.
The same experts who calculated that "Rocky Marciano is the heavyweight champ with the highest KO'ratio" would turn away from the TV sets if Klitschko's KO victims would be a median 190 lbs.
The same fans who mention that "Rocky Marciano is the only heavyweight champ who retired undefeated (49-0)" would be very upset if Wladimir Klitschko chose 40 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers (200 lbs and below) or chose 49 of his 49 opponents to be cruisers, former cruisers and bums (yes, that's Marciano's record in a nutshell).
The same fans who measure Wladimir Klitschko against previous oh-so-great champs would be appalled if Wladimir Klitschko actually fought opponents like those champs fought.
It's a no-brainer that Joe Louis can hold such records because included in his 26 title wins are opponents like Billy Conn 174 lbs and bums like Tony Musto (37-30).
Just take a deep look at this picture:
Heavyweight world title (1906)
172 lbs vs 163 lbs
_THAT_ was a heavyweight world title fight back then.
Such guys (Tommy Burns 160+ lbs vs Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 170+ lbs), both massively smaller than even the referee, are seriously compared to Vitali Klitschko and Lennox Lewis and such world titles are seriously compared to Klitschko's and Lennox Lewis' world titles.
And, believe it or not, exactly this Tommy Burns from that picture is compared to Wladimir Klitschko because "Tommy Burns holds the record for the most (8) consecutive KOs in world title bouts" (all without exception against cruiser-bums like Jewey Smith 22-22 and/or in round #13), while "Klitschko managed to score only 5 in a row".
Klitschko would never want to box or KO such opponents.
Fans would never want to watch Klitschko box or KO such opponents.
It would be even against the current heavyweight rules for Klitschko to box or KO such opponents.
And it would be a proof of the terrible state of the current heavyweight boxing division to box or KO such opponents.
Yet records and streaks against such opponents are being compared to records and streaks of modern world champs.
In other words:
What would now be considered a proof of a terrible state of the division,
is being used as proof of the glory and the achievements of past divisions.
I am sorry, but I refuse to compare Tommy Burns to Mike Tyson, to Larry Holmes or even to Muhammad Ali. We have to apply some common sense here:
Either we exclude bums[?] and sub-200 fights to have some common ground for comparisons.
Or we leave bums and sub-200 fights on the record
and then compare Joe Louis to ·Sugar Ray Robinson and Nikolay Valuev to ·Floyd Mayweather Jr
and don't call it "
heavyweight toplist" or " heavyweight titles"
but "boxing toplist", "p4p toplist" or "boxing titles"
"Joe Louis has XX world title wins and Wlad has only YY world title wins, nah na-na-nah nah"
is equivalent to
"Oscar de la Hoya was world champ in six divisions and Wlad only in one, nah na-na-nah nah".
Apples and oranges.
Boxing eras (1) The best heavyweight era of all time -OR- Is Roy Jones Jr. a better cruiser than Rocky Marciano?
Boxing eras (2) Current heavyweights are fat and out of shape -OR- Ali and the mystery of the six-pack
Did Muhammad Ali also face bums in world championship fights? Even worse!
You don't even have to go as far back as Joe Louis. Of Ali's 25 world title fights 10(!) were against bums and/or sub-200 opponents, e.g.
Muhammad Ali vs ·Leon Spinks (26-17) 197 lbs (WBA world heavyweight title 1978)
or Muhammad Ali vs ·Henry Cooper (40-14) 188 lbs (World Heavyweight title 1966)
Similar fights happened during Larry Holmes' era where we had to witness world championship fights like
Larry Holmes vs Mike Weaver (41-18) 202 lbs (WBC heavyweight title 1979)
Larry Holmes vs Ossie Ocasio (23-13) (WBC heavyweight title 1979)
Larry Holmes vs David Bey (18-11) (IBF heavyweight title 1985)
Such fights _ARE_ included when fans or TV shows mention "the longest streaks", "the longest reigns" or "the most championships won".
So please, could we finally have some statistics WITHOUT bums and WITHOUT cruisers (or even and sub-cruisers)?
Could we please compare apples to apples? Unpadded heavyweight records to unpadded heavyweight records?
Yes, finally an objective comparison has arrived:
Let's make a fair Heavyweight world championship comparison, shall we?
So far there have been approximately 80 heavyweight world champs (since 18xx).
Most of them won only 2 or 1 title fights ("One hit wonders") or even ZERO (e.g. Ken Norton, who was appointed world champ without winning it in the ring).
Once we exclude such "2nd and 3rd tier champs" we are left with the following "top of the crop":
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