Let's compare Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman to Wladimir Klitschko vs Jean-Marc Mormeck

In my article Muhammad Ali’s heavyweight record in a nutshell I described how modern fans would view the opponents of Ali, would Ali fight in our times.

Let's make another comparison. Let's compare Ali's hallmark fight against ·George Foreman to Wlad's stay busy fight against ·Jean-Marc Mormeck.

The fight Klitschko vs Mormeck has been called…

  • "an embarrassing and pathetic mismatch"
  • "an absurd mismatch"
  • "a gross mismatch"
  • "a disgusting mismatch"
  • "a stay busy fight"
  • and Mormeck has been called "a fat bum when Wlad fought him"
  • (all original quotes)

Yet Mormeck had won 6 cruiserweight championships, which during the era of Muhammad Ali would be considered "6 world heavyweight titles".

Due to a change in the definition of "heavyweight" we have nowadays the bizarre situation, that what we call "cruiserweight", has been called "heavyweight" in Ali's times. And what was called "heavyweight" in Ali's times would run as "cruiserweight" now, since borderline boxers (around 210 lbs) like Ken Norton (median fighting weight 209 lbs) or Joe Frazier (median fighting weight 205 lbs) would fight other borderline boxers under the promotion "cruiserweight".

Mormeck would be heavyweight champ back then, and Ali's opponents like Joe Frazier would be probably nothing more than cruiserweight champs nowadays.

Even more important: Cruisers nowadays undergo an artificial weight loss days (sometimes hours) before the weigh-in, and then at fight night they weigh 10-30 lbs more. Therefore a lot of Mormeck's fights would not only have been called "heavyweight" in Ali's times, but they actually were heavyweight even in our times. Or did you think that the world cruiserweight title fight Jean-Marc Mormeck vs O'Neil Bell was really 198 lbs vs 198 lbs?

 

So what would a bout Mormeck vs Ali mean?

It would mean that Ali would have fought one of the best opponents he has ever faced. In fact Muhammad Ali never won against someone at real heavyweight 200×2 who had been a 6x championship winner and a unified champion.

Additionally Mormeck would have been one of the heaviest (heavier than Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and Ken Norton, and only 1 lbs lighter than George Foreman's average fighting weight in the 1970s) and possibly the most athletic guy Muhammad Ali ever KO'ed.

Take a look at this visual comparison:

Ali vs Foreman ("Rumble in the Jungle"):

Jean-Marc Mormeck at the weigh-in before his fight against Wladimir Klitschko:



THAT'S what I am talking about. AliFants live in some fantasy land, where Mormeck (216 lbs, 6 world title wins) is "a fat bum", yet Ali 216 lbs is an out-of-the-world athlete fighting against an out-of-the-world athlete Foreman 220 lbs.

Mormeck vs Wlad, which was merely a stay busy fight

  • featured far more athleticity and heavyweight'ness and resume'ness (13 combined world title wins vs 23 combined world title wins) than Ali vs Foreman (nearly twice as many)
  • beats Ali vs Foreman out of the water when it comes to athleticity
  • featured better performance (faster pace, faster KO)

Just imagine Wlad would have rope-a-doped the whole fight against Mormeck as did Ali vs Foreman. Klitschko haters would get epileptic seizures how boring Wlad kills the sport.

That's how much the division has changed: What was considered a hallmark of an era (Ali vs Foreman) would be nowadays a pretty unathletic, pretty light bout, pretty boring and even a proof of a terrible era.

That's how much the division changed: Wlad's stay busy fights > Ali's hallmark fights.
 

One could even make the case that a win of Muhammad Ali win against Jean-Marc Mormeck would have been Ali's greatest heavyweight win of his entire career.

 

People are so deluded by Ali's opponents' FAME NAMES and so brainwashed by the mantras "Wladimir Klitschko fights BUMS" and "The Klitschko era is the worst era in heavyweight history" that they start to laugh when you told them that…

  • Jean-Marc Mormeck would probably be Muhammad Ali's greatest win
  • Jean-Marc Mormeck would be a highlight of Muhammad Ali's career
  • Jean-Marc Mormeck would be a proof of the superiority of the Muhammad Ali era.

It's inconceivable to today's fans because they have been completely brainwashed of what is going on now and what was going on 40-50 years ago.

 

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  • Honza says:
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    [ip2username: Biku Mapy]
    #7077 Honza (2014-04-02nd)

    Again thank you for your stupid opinion and say hello to those who pay you because this is unbelievable. Of course that Wlad would be booed if he would do rope a dope because he was fighting oponent who was several inches smaller and a lot of pounds lighter you idiot. George was ko machine as he proved before and after that as well. At the same time Wlad was asking for dq for his sh*tty performance against Povetkin (but of course you will never admit that because you are trying to pretend that Wlad has no bad performances at all). So is Mormeck better fighter than George? No. Is he better than Muhammad? No. Was he one of worse oponents of Wlad? Yes.
    Your love for Klitschko and weight closes your sences IMO.

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    • Admin says:
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      [ip2username: Suva Mywo]
      #7078 Admin (2014-04-02nd)
      Of course that Wlad would be booed if he would do rope a dope because he was fighting oponent who was several inches smaller

      Thank you for acknowledging
      1. that rope-a-doping against Foreman is boo-worthy
      2. that Foreman is so much smaller than Wlad.

      However you miss the point.

      Even if Wlad would rope-a-dope against a taller opponent modern fans would dis Wlad.

      So is Mormeck better fighter than George? No.

      Of course Mormeck is a better fighter. Not necessarily a better heavyweight, but Mormeck has the better boxing resume. And additionally it's uncertain that Mormeck would lose against Foreman. Let's not forget that Foreman had his difficulties and limitations, too.

      Was he one of worse oponents of Wlad? Yes.

      Exactly my point.

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      • Honza says:
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        [ip2username: Kote Zivu]
        #7079 Honza (2014-04-02nd)

        Seš kretén. Víš to?

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        • Honza says:
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          #7081 Honza (2014-04-02nd)

          that Foreman is so much smaller than Wlad.

          Lighter not so much smaller. 3 inches difference is not same as 5 inches (George a Mormeck) let alone 8 inches (between Wlad a Mormeck).

          Let's not forget that Foreman had his difficulties and limitations,

          Yeah he struggled against fighters with comperable size not guy who wasnt even legit six footer.

          Even if Wlad would rope-a-dope against a taller opponent modern fans would dis Wlad.

          No they dis Wlad when he is grabbing and wearnig oponents down everytime they try to strike because his inside is nonexistent as he showed few times. Ali also had little to no inside.

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          • Tommo says:
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            #7620 Tommo (2014-10-21st)

            Prime Foreman lost to Jimmy Young, whom Mormeck could definitely beat any day of the week.

            Big 90's George, before he shock KO'ed Moorer was getting pulverised to bits the whole fight, an opponent pretty comparable to Mormeck.

            So with an open mind, it deserves proper reflection whether Foreman could really beat HW Mormeck.

            In terms of boxing skills, Mormeck is way WAY better than Foreman, as well as athleticity. Foreman only LEARNED how to box in his 40's!

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  • Honza says:
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    #7087 Honza (2014-04-03rd)

    It's inconceivable to today's fans because they have been completely brainwashed of what is going on now and what was going on 40-50 years ago.

    Same way you are trying to brainwash any other fan than Klitschko fan. You proved absolutely nothing with this article. Nothing. Only how stupid you can be. I said can be because when you sometimes leave Muhammad and Wlad out of picture you can be good with your analyzes. But this article, the one about Muhammad rematches or his oponents by today view, about Ali racism are worst piece of biased view on one boxer and everything he represents. Speaking of Mormeck. I can name two much better boxers with similiar size: James Toney and Mike Tyson.

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  • Big-E - - L-Train says:
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    #7251 Big-E - - L-Train (2014-06-08th)

    Thank you for speaking what we all should know. But one thing i do wonder… Some medium sized boxers tend to hit hard, even when there limited with small body sizes… i think of Hearns for example, Or maybe Tyson probably. But what is the explanation for that? I kind of think it could be that those guys have great hand-eye-coordination, time:ing and reflexes to hit that hard. In the case for most guys, lack of coordination and explosiveness limits their true power which
    their mass can provide them, but for some, they tend to access all the potential there bodies can supply them in the hitting motion. And I also think that, in smaller men, it is more common that they can reach there limits because of the lack of clumsiness bigger men more often have problems with. (Spare special cases such as the klitschko brothers which i think both have: big, strong AND athletic bodies with top coordination.)

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    • Tommo says:
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      #7336 Tommo (2014-06-22nd)

      Yes it isn't that weight is the only factor, but all else equal, the heavier man will. Many other factors come into play after weight like explosiveness and technique, timing and accuracy.

      There are 3 excellent articles on expertboxing called Why weights wont increase punching power which explain power beautifully.

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  • robwill says:
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    #7686 robwill (2014-11-08th)

    What an astounding waste of energy ! Curious to know how many hours it takes you to compile these stats – to eventualy, as predictable from the bigining, prove nothing.
    Since you called Ali a coward and unathletic, you 've lost any bit of credit you could hope. Anybody who has ever spared on a ring, even as a non competitor, knows that no boxer on earth has never been a coward – whatever his skill, power or stamina. More, what kind of stupid f*cking idiot would believe that a coward would face oponent like Liston, Frazier and Foreman ?
    About Ali unathletic, nothing to say – just laugh ! You think there is no real athlet without prominent muscles and six-packed tab… What a sh*t ! See how the "unathletic" Calzaghe dominated the bodybuilt Roy Jones Jr, for example. Anyway, Ali WAS very well muscled as you can see on any fighting picture – even Ray Charles could !
    And where are you taking in acount the fact that title fights used to last 15 rounds by the Ali's time, vs 12 todays ? Nowhere, you stats bullsh*tter !
    You really sounds like an ignorant as*hole who never approached a couple of gloves less than 10 miles away.
    And it is really sorrying, cause your purpose is very interesting, and you obviously give it a lot of work, patience and energy, which has to be respected. But we are unfortunately still looking for the "objectivity" you sold us !

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    • Tommo says:
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      #7711 Tommo (2014-11-26th)

      Ridiculous friend.

      "Site Map"

      will lead you to answers.

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