Muhammad Ali – The most famous racist to ever box -OR- Criticizing Ali is racism

CASSIUS CLAY (aka Cassius X aka Muhammad Ali) IS a hot potato. When you talk about Ali you are not only talking about a sportsman.

Many people all over the world don't care about his achievements in the ring. What matters to them is his performance OUTSIDE of the ring.

  • Muslims may admire him for being the only world-famous Muslim (aside from Mike Tyson, Saddam Hussein, Usama Bin Laden and Idi Amin).
    While Jews have so many world-famous faces (Elvis, Madonna, Steven Spielberg, Julio Iglesias, Houdini, George Michael, Albert Einstein…) that they don't need to point out who is Jew and who is not, Muslims basically only have Ali and Tyson. But Tyson is a criminal Muslim (went to jail for cocaine possession and rape), married to a criminal woman (jail) who has a criminal mother Faridah Ali (jail) and a criminal father (Imam Shamsud-Din Ali, convicted for first degree murder). Welllll, Mike Tyson seems to be slightly less presentable than Ali. Therefore treating Ali like a treasure is perfectly understandable.
  • Muslims may also admire Ali not only for simply being a Muslim but for being an outspoken advocate for Islamic beliefs and for upholding Islamic values (he divorced his first wife very fast after she refused to dress like a Muslima: "I even divorced a woman… just because she wouldn't wear dresses long enough")
  • Ali is probably also the most famous ex-Christian aside from Tom Cruise (converted to Scientology) and Marilyn Monroe (converted to Judaism).
  • Blacks may honor him for being the voice of the oppressed by attacking whites in the 1960s ("You're my enemy. My enemy is the white people!")
  • Political activists may remember him for fighting against the government (Ali refused to get drafted and even went to the US Supreme Court) ("Vietnam legacy") ("Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam?")
  • Ku Klux Klan members may admire Muhammad Ali for speaking out ("Cu Clux Clay speech") against interracial relationships on a KKK rally ("It was a hell of a scene, all those white hoods, the bonfire, and me on the platform talking")
  • Fans of trashtalk may admire him for up-hyping his own fights  and doing everything to bring forward the sport of boxing ("That nigger talks too much. That nigger needs a good whoopin'… He's cocky!", Muhammad Ali about how he wants others to perceive him, so he sells more tickets).
  • Art fans may enjoy him for being "the first rapper" because of Clay/Ali's (rudimentary) form of rap, usually in the form of trashtalk ("It's gonna be a thrilla, and a chilla, and a killa, when I get the Gorilla in Manila") or self-adulation ("Cassius Clay, the most beautiful fighter in the world today")
  • Casual American sport fans may be proud of him for bringing fame to America by being "Fighter of the Year", "Sportsman of the Year" and "Athlete of the Century"
  • Ugly women may respect him for putting love first ("Love > Looks") because he himself is rather handsome (despite his tooth gap) while his wife (Lonnie Ali) could be described as one of the ugliest celebrity wives of all time and let me emphasize here that I think that she's intelligent and I like to listen to her and that calling her names ("mangy mongo") is extremely unfair and goes way too far
  • Mentally challenged cases may view him as an idol because he finished as the bottom of his high school class (#376 out of #391) and scored IQ 78 (classified as "borderline retardation") on the army's IQ test and yet achieved world fame ("I didn't stay in school like I should. I don't have the education. I have common sense how to make it. I have no education in books of writin' ")
  • Gays ("Claymates") may have a crush on Ali although he himself is probably heterosexual. I once read that there were rumors that Muhammad Ali is gay (he and his wife don't have any children in 20+ years) but I could never find any source to substantiate it.
    Well, whatever the case may be even heterosexual boxers CAN be "Gay Icons" and there are a lot of pictures of him being half-naked inside and outside of the ring ("Cocky Cassius"). Now, modern heavyweights and cruiserweights are far more muscular than Ali but for those gays who prefer the pretty-boy-next-door-physique ("like a butterfly") or the slightly-chubby-roommate-look ("Ali, the whaley") he might indeed be attractive. Add to it that his typical facial expression is the wide opened mouth and the ecstatic eyes (just watch the Muhammad Ali Cartoon where they incorporated the typical mouth and eyes into the intro)… and you may have a recipe for love.

 

Thus if you argue against Clay/Ali you may suddenly find yourself in a situation where you are accused of

  • denouncing "a sportsman who is the most famous face of Islam"
  • criticizing "a racism activist"
  • degrading his "civil rights achievements"
  • crucifying "a man of conscience who stood up for his beliefs in a nation adrift"
  • making fun of "an artist"
  • de-mystifying "a cultural idol, hope giver and courage inspirer"
  • attacking "a man of peace who found the love of his life"
  • talking bad about "a gay icon who gives us warm feelings"
  • or simply trying to destroy"one of the greatest American sport figures"

 

Ali is greater than life!

"Think about the role played by Ali world-wide. He is loved in every single country in the world, First or Third World, Rich or Poor, Black or White, Jews or Muslims or Christians or Hindus, Educated or Illiterate, all love him unconditionally. But all this has not happened overnight, it has taken decades for The Greatest occupy the unique place in the hearts and minds of billions, I repeat, billions of people world-wide. Just to remind you that he helped revive a range of countries either facing abject poverty (Zaire) or extreme instability…

There's no comparison between The Greatest and anyone, be it Pacman or Mayweather either inside or outside the ring, FULL STOP."


(original quote)

and another one writes:

"Disrespecting Ali in often seen as akin to disrespecting Dr. Martin Luther King and the generation of the anti-Vietnam 1960's to boot. Just a word of observation. In my opinion there is a greatness to Ali that will take generations (if ever) to overcome. You are playing a dangerous game that invites challenges from the John F. Kennedy, King, Timothy Leary, Robert F. Kennedy, Woodstock generation that beckons you to awake to what your elders did to pave a path for your words to shine."

(original quote)

Yup. Ali is seriously being listed in one sentence with scientists, presidents and future generations.

Thus ANYTHING even slightly negative you say about Muhammad Ali (whether truth or speculation) can ignite (extreme) counter-attacks by his fans and worshipers.

A statement like "Wladimir Klitschko could win against Ali" may already be considered a racist attack on a black icon.

Why?

Because "Everybody knows that Ali would beat every opponent in history thus if you claim that (white) Klitschko can beat (black) Ali you must base your statement purely on white supremacy".

*Uff*

It even was once asked whether Vitali Klitschko is a Nazi for naming his (3rd) child "Maximilian" (after the famous boxer Max Schmeling) because Schmeling was a German boxer during the time of the Hitler regime.

So, yes, since it's so easy to become a Nazi or a racist nowadays you probably WILL be accused of…

  • racism
  • islamophobia
  • anti-Americanism
  • lack of sportsmanship
  • or blind hatred

…as soon as you criticize Ali or even when you happen to like the Klitschkos…

…and, yes, AliFans are that predictable!

 

 

Wait a sec: Wasn't actually Clay/Ali the racist?

The irony of these accusations of "racism" is that Clay/Ali HIMSELF was a racist who was a member of the Nation of Islam (NOI), a religious organization with teachings like

The original black race of man is superior, especially to the white man.

Yakub (a scientist from 6600 years ago) is responsible for creating the white race, a "race of devils".

Allah who came in the person of W. D. Fard Muhammad (founder of the Nation of Islam, pronounced Farad), and the 24 Black scientists that selected him to be God. The 24 Black scientists (or 24 Black elders) have the supernatural ability to write the history of the universe.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad told us of a giant Mother Plane that is made like the universe, spheres within spheres. White people call them UFOs… It took $15 billion in gold at that time to build it. It is made of the toughest steel… Because of its circular nature it can stop and travel in all directions at speeds of thousands of miles per hour.

(Wikipedia) "Yakub"

(Wikipedia) "Beliefs and theology of the Nation of Islam"

(Wikipedia) "Nation of Islam"

And Clay/Ali himself was no different:

Muhammad Ali on integration:

"We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad (leader of the Nation of Islam) don't want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don't want to live with the white man"

 

Muhammad Ali on intermarriage:

"No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters."

 

Muhammad Ali on the need for a separate black homeland:

"You got the white racists who believe in separation such as I believe: One day the black people of America must go to self, clean up self, help self, do for self. I recognize [the white racists]."

"Black and white are disagreeable in peace, they can't get along together… Worked 400 years, 16 hours a day from sun up to sun down, without a payday, that we should now be repaid. Don't give us nuttn and give us or repay us: You got 50 states and we make up 10% of the population then divide up 10% of the land… Now that we're no longer slaves and we can't get along just let me go and live by myself."

 

Muhammad Ali on brotherhood:

"We're not all brothers. You can say we're brothers, but we're not."

 

Muhammad Ali on Al-Qaeda:

"I've opened up businesses across the country, selling products and I don't want to say… the wrong thing and hurt my business"

 

Muhammad Ali on homosexuality:

"All Jews and gentiles are devils… Blacks are no devils… Everything black people doing wrong comes from [the white people]: Drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, stealing, gambling: It all comes from [the white people]"

 

Muhammad Ali on killing blacks for having relationships with whites:

In an interview with Playboy Ali said "A black man should be killed if he's messing with a white woman." When the interviewer asked about black women crossing the colour barrier, Ali responded: "Then she dies. Kill her, too."
The Playboy journalist, who interviewed the boxer, was closer to the mark when he observed of his subject: "You're beginning to sound like a carbon copy of a white racist."

(Wikipedia) Ali Quotes

 

Martin Luther on Muhammad Ali:

"When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims he became a champion of the racial segregation and that is what we are fighting against."

Martin Luther King

 

Just watch Ali's crazy-eye'd rants on the TV interview with Michael Parkinson. Aside from his arrogant discussion manners, Ali can hardly control his body and spews dangerous extremisms like

  • "You're a white man and your knowledge is nuttin' to a Muslim."
  • "My leader is Elijah Muhammad who preaches the doom of America"
  • "You and this TV show is nuttin' to Muhammad Ali. It ain't no way you can tackle me. All of you are tricky… the white Englishmen tricked us out of Africa"
  • "I am not just a boxer. I am told by Elijah Mohammed I am educated"
  • "I could talk all week a million of subjects and you [fingerpointing and shouting at Michael Parkinson] do not have enough wisdom to call on me on television… You are too small mentally to tackle me on nottin' that I represent"
  • "The Muslims are the most respected people in America, we are the cleanest"
  • Ali: "It's a fact that white people hate black people"
    Michael Parkinson: "That's not true"
    Ali (interrupting): "What you mean it's not true? You're the biggest hypocrite in the world"
  • "How you gonna get me on a TV and trap me? Ain't no way. You can't beat me physically nor mentally"
  • To Michael Parkinson: "You are really a joke!"

 

Muhammad Ali is one of the seldom cases that gets more disgusting (or shall we kindly say "more laughable"?) the longer you listen to him and his lack of education shines through the longer he is allowed to talk.

For more racist and megalomaniac quotes read Muhammad Ali Quotes -OR- Cassius Clay's megalomania.

 

"But didn't Mike Tyson also talk such nonsense like Ali?"

True, Mike Tyson and other boxers could talk wild stuff. It's of course part of the show…

"My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

…but Mike's rage was not racist and always related to boxing/opponents, and you always had the feeling of "Wow, Hollywood couldn't invent a better beast! Go, Mike, go!"

Mike Tyson on biting off parts of the ear of Evander Holyfield

"He butted me. Look at me. My kids will be scared of me."

"I felt Holyfield was using his head illegally. I told the referee. I wasn't getting any help. So I went back to the streets. I cannot defend it, but it happened."

Wild stuff, yes! Despicable, sure, sure! But also entertaining as hell and underlining his legacy as one of the most ferocious fighters ever.

"When we got to the gorilla cage there was 1 big silverback gorilla there just bullying all the other gorillas… I offered the [zoo] attendant $10,000 to open the cage and let smash that silverback's snotbox! He declined."

What do we get from Ali? Embarrassing racist attacks against whites (including white fans), lame rhymes ("Gorilla in Manila"), one of the most featherfisted legacies ("like a butterfly") and some of the most vile fans ever. There is no way, such behavior nowadays would be tolerated. He possibly could be banned from boxing for life. If he would utter his racial nonsense nowadays too often outside the US, there is a possibility he would be handcuffed and jailed.

 

 

Racism & Violence

Now, aside from being a racist UFO religion, members of the Nation of Islam carried out the assassination of Malcolm X. One of the convicted murderers (paroled in 1985) is now head of a Nation-of-Islam-mosque in New York.

(Wikipedia) "Malcolm X Assassination"

The assassination happened between the first fight against ·Sonny Liston and the second.

Ali himself admitted to use terrorist tactics to win fights ("Dirty Clay"):

"I have a few things to say. Not for the public but to confuse my opponent. Like I might say to a white fighter: 'Listen,' (while I'm in a clinch), 'the Black Panthers [known for their violence against whites] are outside. You don't stand a damn chance tonight, boy. They'll burn your house down'"

Muhammad Ali

Really funny, Ali. You must feel like the funniest man of the world, Ali.

No wonder Liston claimed he took a dive (2nd fight) because of fear of  retaliations from the Nation of Islam. Here is Liston's recollection what happened after Ali knocked Liston down (the famous "Phantom Punch") but refused to go to the neutral corner:

"Ali knocked me down with a sharp punch. I was down but not hurt… Ali is waiting to hit me, the ref can’t control him. I have to put one knee and one glove on the canvas to get up. You know Ali is a nut. You can tell what a normal man is going to do but you can’t tell what a nut is going to do and Ali is a nut."

and

Others believe that he feared for his safety from Nation of Islam extremists who supported Ali. The latter theory was supported by Mark Kram's book Ghosts of Manila, which included an interview with Liston conducted years after the fight. Liston claimed to have intentionally lost because of his fear of retaliation from the Black Muslims

(WikiPedia) Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston

 

Thus it's bizarre when AliFans accuse Ali critics of racism or islamophobia. It's as bizarre as being accused of racism and Klan'ophobia for criticizing the Ku Klux Klan.

Simply bizarre.

But as I wrote at Wladimir Klitschko sucks because he KOs his opponents very often Ali-fans use inverted logic ("black equals white"). Since Clay/Ali himself was the racist any accusation like "You are racist if you insult Ali" is the same inverted type of logic and only proves my point.

 

 

Who is Cassius Clay? -OR- Muhammad Ali's new name is a never ending self-ownage

As you may know Muhammad Ali's real birth name is "Cassius Marcellus Clay". After Clay met Elijah Muhammad (the leader of the Nation of Islam) and converted to Islam, Elijah Muhammad gave Clay a new name: "Muhammad Ali".

The irony? Hmm, let's check Wikipedia who the original "Muhammad Ali" was:

muhammad ali pasha"Muhammad Ali next turned his attention to military campaigns beginning with Sudan which he viewed as a valuable addition resource of territory, gold, and slaves. Sudan at the time had no real central authority and used primitive weaponry in its tribal infighting.

In 1820 Muhammad Ali dispatched an army of 5000 troops into Sudan with the intent of conquering the territory and subjugating it to his authority. Ali's troops made headway into Sudan in 1821, but met with fierce resistance.

Ultimately, the superiority of Egyptian troops and firearms ensured the conquest of Sudan. His administration captured slaves from the Nuba Mountains, and west and south Sudan.

Ali's reign in Sudan, and that of his immediate successors, is remembered in Sudan for its brutality and heavy-handedness
"

(Wikipedia) Muhammad Ali of Egypt

 

Now let's check who the original Cassius Marcellus Clay was:

Cassius Marcellus Clay"Cassius Clay was a prominent anti-slavery crusader. Clay worked toward emancipation, both as a Kentucky state representative and as an early member of the Republican Party.

Clay graduated from Yale College in 1832. While at Yale, he heard abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison speak, and Garrison's lecture inspired Clay to join the antislavery movement.

Clay served three terms in the Kentucky General Assembly, but he lost support among Kentucky voters as his platform became more focused on ending slavery.

In 1845, he began publishing an anti-slavery newspaper called the True American in Lexington, Kentucky. Within a month he received death threats, had to arm himself, and had to barricade the doors of his newspaper office for protection. Shortly after, a mob of about sixty men broke into his office and seized his printing equipment, which they shipped to Cincinnati, Ohio. Clay continued publication there.

Even though he opposed the annexation of Texas, Clay served in the Mexican-American War. His connections to the northern antislavery movement remained strong, and he was a founder of the Republican party and a friend of Abraham Lincoln, supporting him for the presidency."

 

(Wikipedia) Cassius Marcellus Clay

 

In other words:

Until Ali doesn't change his name back to Cassius Clay we have the right to assume that he still (non-openly) believes in the teachings of the Nation of Islam or that he still is a racist who believes in black supremacy.

The name "Muhammad Ali" is a CONSTANT REMINDER of Clay's self-ownage: He now carries the name of a

  • brutal war lord
  • who invaded other countries
  • for new slaves

while at the same time he erased the name "Cassius Clay",

  • who was Major General in the Union army
  • participated in the purchase of Alaska
  • organized the “Clay Battalion” to protect Washington D.C.
  • and was an anti-slavery activist.

 

And yet, what do we have to read from AliFans?

"The things you have written above gave yourself away completely. Like who the first Muhammad Ali was and who the the American Cassius Clay was. Completely irrelevant and only prove your racism."
(original quote)

An example of the TYPICAL logic of AliFans: Accusing others of racism while protecting the racist (Ali).

 

 

Is Muhammad Ali still a racist?

We have yet to hear 1 CLEAR statement of Ali which condemns the Muslims that carried out the 9/11 attacks.

All we heard from him so far are non-answers like "Islam is peace" or evasive statements like "What's really hurting me, the name Islam is involved".

You see, there is a huge discrepancy between his racism crusade that he tried to stick into everyone's face ("Whites are evil! America is doomed! Run to your nearest mosque!") and his hardly perceivable criticism of 9/11 ("I don't want to say… the wrong thing and hurt my business").

I don't know if the governing bodies should go as far as to deprive him of all medals, honors and Hall-of-Fame inductions but it's definitely a measure worth a serious consideration. It should have been Joe Frazier to light the fire at the Olympics.

 

 

Is describing Clay's/Ali's fighting style racist?

Since the topic is "Ali & Racism" I want to point out something specific about Ali's fighting style that might earn you the accusation "racist":

People who are watching how he fights (= his style in the ring)  may very easily get the impression that he is impersonating an IOU (Interstellar Orang-Utan) which as I have learned just recently might be considered a racist statement in America.

A few days ago I heard for the first time in my life that in parts of the USA mentioning that somebody is "monkeying around" or accusing someone of "monkey see, monkey do" is a racist statement.

I thought "What the heck, this can't be true! How in the world can this be racist? Small children can jump around like little monkeys and nobody in the rest of the world would ever consider that a racist term". Even Floyd Mayweather Jr (a black boxer) calls himself "I'm a gorilla, I'm a dog".

The American concept of racism simply eludes me, but maybe one day I will be able to decipher the fine American line between racism and political correctness with the help of reading books, watermelons, eating chicken and Katt Williams ("One of the hottest young comedians in the country today").

Thus let me assure you this:

I personally don't claim here that Ali fights like an IOU but when someone says "Ali fights like an IOU" then in 99.9% of the cases it will be merely meant as a real-world description of how Ali behaves in the ring and it's not meant in a racist sense.

I once read that in China calling someone "turtle" is the most offensive insult. I am neither from China nor from the USA and I don't care what some locals in America or in China think about monkey-racism or turtle-insults: But Ali may indeed remind the viewer of an IOU, just like ·Sam Peter may remind us of a turtle and Valuev's physiognomy may remind us of a Neanderthal. It would be completely racism-free statement and if you live in America then don't put something into it that isn't there. Other black boxers don't remind anyone of IOUs.

But he is an exception. End of story.

An example of what someone else might describe as "GOAT goes ape" (which is then wrongly denounced as racist) can be found in the fight Muhammad Ali vs Jimmy Young (watch the 2 first rounds)

  • when Ali jumps up and down, back and forth
  • when Ali makes uncoordinated wild swings
  • when Ali stomps forward with his hands up (what the heck?)
  • when Ali covers his his face and then rhythmically steps forward one-two one-two
  • when Ali suddenly grabs the neck of his opponent
  • when Ali bizarrely opens his mouth (walking to his corner) ("goat goes gape")

thus it's no wonder that someone might think that Ali emulates an IOU.

Just check out 1:20 (round#2) when he marches forward and suddenly grabs Young's neck (Ali loves to do that throughout his whole career)! And no, Jimmy Young does NOT fight back like an ape.

Ali's crazy eyes and gaping mouth are so typical that they were featured in the intro of the Muhammad Ali Cartoon (where he indeed goes on an interstellar mission).

ali crazy eyes gaping mouth

Ali loves to do the crazy-eyes and the gape-mouth inside the ring (while fighting, going to the corner or sitting in the corner) and outside the ring. Ali's alias ("Lousiville Lip") could have as easily been "Kentucky Gape" (haha).

goat goes gape

 

Even the commentator noticed it:

"First round [was] one of those curious pieces of business that we've seen so often with Ali: No fighting at all"

I wonder what would have happened if the commentator hadn't called it "pieces of business" but "pieces of monkey business" (haha).

Ali is the only fighter (white or black) that may make someone think that we aren't watching a boxing ring but a circus ring. Some called him "Clay, the clown", others called him the "One-Man-Zoo" (butterfly, bee & GoaT).

However, I wouldn't go as far as calling him "Primate Ali" (instead of "Prime Ali"), "Chimp Ali" (instead of "Champ Ali") or "The Apest" (instead of "The Greatest"), but don't be astonished if you hear these appositions here or there.

Honestly, I have never seen any other boxer doing anything like this. Maybe you could compare it to Kung-Fu movies when they train to "fight crane style" or "be the snake". It's out of this world ("interstellar") and you shouldn't take it badly that someone might imagine that boxing fights on the Planet of Apes would look similar including

  • grabbing the neck
  • raising the arms to look bigger
  • gaping the mouth to scare you

and the only thing missing would be him balancing on the ropes (haha) but let's listen to Ali himself:

"I am the astronaut of boxing… I'm in a world of my own."
Muhammad Ali

Indeed, Ali, who are we to disagree?

I presume modern heavyweights would be described in an instant as "ring monkeys" if they had a fighting style and would bizarrely grimace like that (even outside of the ring), but again let me assure all US-Americans that this would be completely racist-free description of  the STYLE of fighting.

And I guess you already came to the same "IOU conclusion", too,  after watching the first rounds versus Jimmy Young.

 

 

Summary

If you want to be accused of racism ("Now you showed your real face, you racist!") then don't waste your time with criticizing ·Chris "Rapid Fire" Byrd or ·Lennox "The Lion" Lewis. Go for ·Muhammad "The Louisville Lip" Ali or ·"Iron" Mike Tyson.

Parkinson's is my toughest fight…. I'm being tested… All great people are tested by God.

Since Clay/Ali himself thinks that his Parkinson is a message from god, you may wonder why is it an illness that effectively causes him to talk less?
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  • PitBull Petrill says:
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    #76 PitBull Petrill (2011-01-07th)

    This is far and away the most informative and comprehensive discourse that methodically deconstructs the Ali myth. Through cogent arguments and logically persuasive reasoning, Ali is viewed accurately as both a beatable fighter and flawed human being.

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    • Tommo says:
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      #5808 Tommo (2013-03-31st)

      Admin has done masterful job constructing this site for boxing enthusiasts but he is also a one man propaganda machine. Attacking his boxing is credible. But even though this article contains things I suspect may be true he leaves out an INCREDIBLE amount of back story, reasoning and counter arguments and the fact there are PLENTY other athletes, actors, famous people and officials who's personality would be equally corrupt so why bash Ali for this.

      This article reveals author as being also atleast as racist as he is painting Ali to be. I get pro-Euro and pro-Slavic and anti-US and anti-negro vibes from many articles he writes but this one reveals it most specifically lol But this anti-Ali extremism is unhealthy. I haven't seen the article "Tyson: Ears and hearts for breakfast anyone?" yet for instance. Low blow admin, please do not sink this site.

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      • Honza says:
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        #6350 Honza (2013-07-19th)

        Again thank you Carl. Again I have sam eopinion as you have. :)

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  • Gnome says:
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    #93 Gnome (2011-02-13th)

    Eye-opening. I always thought the man had very poor sportsmanship, was a braggart and was very vulgar – this shows me he was also a racist of the worst sort.

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    • Tommo says:
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      #5809 Tommo (2013-03-31st)

      Yeah I would have liked to see him get bashed when he was cocky lol

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  • Honza says:
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    #363 Honza (2011-06-01st)

    If this guy say that Klitschko can beat Muhammad than I have no problem with that but in another article he said something like Muhammad had suspected chin bad oponents and he also was cheater. Teofilo stevenson said that Ali is his boxing idol but he do not like his trash talking.

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    • Admin says:
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      #402 Admin (2011-06-11th)
      If this guy say that Klitschko can beat Muhammad than I have no problem with that but in another article he said something like Muhammad had suspected chin

      I never said anything of the sort. Ali's chin (and his stamina) was one of his best assets. I said, that Ali's chin is rather UNTESTED in terms of heavyweight because most of his opponents don't compare to the power of modern heavies.

      bad oponents and he also was cheater

      I never said his opponents were bad. His opponents were good, but not necessary in terms of heavyweight. Just like Manny Pacquiao is a top boxer, but not a top heavyweight.

      And I didn't say Ali was a cheater. I said that there was an official investigation into his early career because of suspicious circumstances.

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      • Honza says:
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        #3817 Honza (2012-03-07th)

        In another article you said Ali had doubtful chin. You are such a hypocrit that is unbeliavable.

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  • Willtell says:
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    #400 Willtell (2011-06-11th)

    This is the actual quote he said about enemies, which you seem to have paraphrased: "I ain't draft dodging. I ain't burning no flag. I ain't running to Canada. I'm staying right here. You want to send me to jail? Fine, you go right ahead. I've been in jail for 400 years. I could be there for 4 or 5 more, but I ain't going no 10,000 miles to help murder and kill other poor people. If I want to die, I'll die right here, right now, fightin' you, if I want to die. You my enemy, not no Chinese, no Vietcong, no Japanese. You my opposer when I want freedom. You my opposer when I want justice. You my opposer when I want equality. Want me to go somewhere and fight for you? You won't even stand up for me right here in America, for my rights and my religious beliefs. You won't even stand up for my right here at home." He never said, "my enemy is the white man", what he said was that if he wanted to fight anyone, then the American system was it because it was with it alone that he had a justifiable beef.

    Aside from that, I found it odd how you would say there's only four famous Muslims, and two were Idi Amin and Osama bin Laden, one a dictator and the other a murderer and a terrorist. It's obvious what you're trying to say here, the only famous Muslims are criminals and murderers, which is certainly true to any Islamophobic who's only education is through a TV set, but to others, people who might actually seek out information on the subject, there are thousands of famous Muslims, men like Boutros Boutros Ghali, Mohammed Mossedeq, Ibn Kaldun, Salah Hadin, Kamil Ataturk, Anwar El Sadat, Shirin Ebadi, Benazir Bhutto; Nobel Peace Prize winners, noted scholars, reformers, generals and leaders, people who an impact on history other than through burning buildings or jail cells, just none of them happen to be mentioned here.

    Furthermore, saying that Ali is the real racist because he was a member of the Nation of Islam or things he said (or misquotes as the case may be) is about as accurate as saying Zionists were racist for hating Germans. Consider the atmosphere Ali and the Nation operated in. The American South, at the time of segregation and the civil rights movement, where the Nation conducted itself peacefully for the sake of civil rights, but was deemed a radical left-wing racist movement by apologists of segregation and government agents who were the in the habit of spying on political reformers because they feared how it might undermine the Vietnam War or the status quo. True, the Nation held a lot of reverse-racist and Afrocentric beliefs, but they were trying to empower black Americans against a society and culture that told them they were inferior, arrested and even murdered them for taking part in peaceful protests and demanding their rights. Can you blame them for being a little hateful themselves or overstepping their bounds? And what of Ali, a champion athlete in his younger years who wasn't allowed to march in his hometown's parade under segregation law or ever consider dating a white woman (unless he wanted to get lynched or accused of rape). Is it really at all surprising he would join the Nation or become an outspoken (very) critic of the American government or American society? What would have pleased the folks who criticize him, that he kept his mouth shut and smiled through all the bigotry of his day and age like others chose to do?

    Where's your mention of all that in this comparative analysis about racism? And how do you justify complaining about racist accusation when you make them so readily and freely yourself? And how can you assert it so confidently and much of your argument comes down to Islamophobia and stereotypes? To be fair, I get it. It's just easier to sling together some simple stereotypes about Islam, some ironic accusations of racism (most of which were first mounted by blatant racists looking to justify their own bigotry) and a one sided-analysis. But it aint accurate or even fair!

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      #401 Admin (2011-06-11th)
      This is the actual quote he said about enemies, which you seem to have paraphrased.. He never said, "my enemy is the white man", what he said was that if he wanted to fight anyone, then the American system was it because it was with it alone that he had a justifiable beef.

      I didn't paraphrase anything. "My enemy is the white people" is an original quote. Stop defending a racist.

      Aside from that, I found it odd how you would say there's only four famous Muslims…there are thousands of famous Muslims

      I never said there are only 4 famous Muslims. I said there are only 4 world-famous Muslims. I doubt that many people have ever heard of even one of the guys you mention.

      Consider the atmosphere Ali and the Nation operated in.

      Considering…considering… Yup, Ali was a racist. And possibly is to this very day. If he isn't then give me one quote of Ali where he denounces his former racism.

      True, the Nation held a lot of reverse-racist and Afrocentric beliefs, but they were trying to empower black Americans

      Is that some kind of "Oh, I know a really friendly drug-dealing communist" type of counter-argument?

      Is it really at all surprising he would join the Nation or become an outspoken (very) critic of the American government or American society?

      Spare me the notion that joining the Nation of Islam was without alternative.

      And how do you justify complaining about racist accusation when you make them so readily and freely yourself?

      I did nothing of the sort.

      And how can you assert it so confidently and much of your argument comes down to Islamophobia and stereotypes?

      Haha, exactly as I mentioned above:
      "you probably WILL be accused of racism, islamophobia…"
      Protectors of The Clay are sooo predictable. Greetings to America.

      It's just easier to sling together some simple stereotypes about Islam

      I didn't analyze Islam a bit here.

      and a one sided-analysis.

      Quoting someone isn't one-sided. Now, if I purposefully would have ignored anti-racist quotes, then yes maybe. But so far I have seen no such statements of Ali. You are still welcome to give me an anti-racist quote by Ali.

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    #405 Honza (2011-06-13th)

    I have antiracist Ali quote. He said that if white man likes him he likes him too. I do not know whole quote.

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      #450 Admin (2011-06-21st)

      1) So you don't have a quote.
      2) That's not an anti-racist quote. That's like "I hate blacks! But if they buy my DVDs they're OK". That's even more disgusting than racism.

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        #3819 Honza (2012-03-08th)

        He said: "If white man comes to my home he is welcome but if he does not want me in his house I will not go there. I am not against white people. If they like my I like them too."
        So this article is absolute out of place.

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          #5466 Honza (2013-01-03rd)

          So as you can see I have quote. And you are silent. :)

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    #605 Rational Person (2011-07-29th)

    To accuse Ali of racism for his comments within the stunningly racist context(s) in which they were made is pretty disingenuous. Try harder.

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    #631 Reggy (2011-08-01st)

    If Ali is a racist you will have to show the people he oppressed. It's no good calling people racist if you can't show how they oppressed, suppressed persecuted, disinherited and murdered. This would normally be in conjunction with another set (a whole group) who have systematically dissected another group through hating them for their skin colour and origin. Unfortunately for the poster there are millions of instances of Whites being racist to Muhammad Ale, but I will wait for an instance this poster can show of Ali being racist, to White people. And please don't waste anyone's times showing where Ali said something or the other. The precepts of racism as defined by White people in South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana etc go much further than just saying things. Just ask the KKK what racism is. Or ask those who formulated Jim Crows Laws what racism is. Show the laws to discriminate that Ali created. Racism is a system practised by amongst others a whole country who are part of a systematic oppression of a people. whoever posted this nonsense about the Great Muhammad Ali, should show the victims of Ali's so called racism. Show the people brutalized or framed by a Black police; etc.

    For too long White racists have looked to equate racism with people saying things on TV or elsewhere. But real racism is systematic like the KKK. They try to diminish all the evil White racists have done by claiming Blacks have done the same things. Please show where Muhammad Ali started any program to lyingly and falsely claim that White IQ in Europe is below 80. Sub-Saharan Africa exports 20,000 doctors to the West every year. They are also the highest percent of degree holders on the planet both in Africa and in the West. This is while Whites have done everything to demoralize and destroy anything that presents Blacks in a good light or allows them to succeed in the same vein as Whites. It's no good watching how people like Muhammad Ali respond to centuries of White racism by Whites then claiming this is racism. What garbage. A stupid article indeed.

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    #634 Reggy (2011-08-01st)

    "I didn't paraphrase anything. "My enemy is the white people" is an original quote. Stop defending a racist"

    According to you fighting against racism is racism, sorry dude till to you do what I told you, you have not proven Ali is a racist let alone you asking anyone to show where Ali defends racism. For Ali to defend racism means he would have to justify what White racists were doing at that time in the USA or at least stay silent about it, like George Foreman did. Foreman was obviously loved by the establishment. What is clear here Heavy weight blog is you are a racist. That's why you equate fighting against racism with racism, because as far as you are concerned no Black should ever dare stand up against systematic abuse and racism in the USA. If Blacks do according to you it is tantamount to being a racist.

    "Considering…considering… Yup, Ali was a racist. And possibly is to this very day. If he isn't then give me one quote of Ali where he denounces his former racism"

    And here's a non racist quote from Ali considering you have not shown any example of Ali being racist;

    "Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong"

    Muhammad Ali.

    "I never said there are only 4 famous Muslims. I said there are only 4 world-famous Muslims. I doubt that many people have ever heard of even one of the guys you mention"

    It's incredible that you now purport to speak for the entire planet including Muslims about the question of who they know or who they regard as world famous. I mean do you claim they are famous because these are the ones (Idi Amin, Osama Bin Laden) who have been described as tyrants or terrorists by USA hegemony? They became famous because they were anti Western imperialist agenda not because they were Muslim. You make no sense sir. It's like calling Hitler the most famous White man because he has been demonized for his agenda. Otherwise explain what Hitler was famous for?

    "Spare me the notion that joining the Nation of Islam was without alternative"

    Is this even a point? I mean what exactly is your point? Are you claiming joining Nation of Islam is in itself a racist act!!!? Which means you can prove that Nation of Islam was made for the sole purpose of offending and persecuting White people! Show your evidence of this. Show that nothing precipitated the formation of Nation Islam that it was just a group who said lets find a way to keep the White man down.

    "Is that some kind of "Oh, I know a really friendly drug-dealing communist" type of counter-argument?"

    I think you should really be asking if your argument is some type of counter Black people should roll over and accept racism without ever daring to fight back type of argument. Isn't that what you are suggesting? In this context why stop at calling Ali racist why don't you call MLK a racist too and just about everyone who fought for equality of people. MLK said loads of things which I'm sure someone like you would consider racist to White people. Note he too was fighting racism.

    "I did nothing of the sort"

    I think you have real issues to deal here, the first is your blind denial of the racism suffered
    by Blacks like Muhammad Ali. You refuse to acknowledge what mobilized Blacks into realizing they must make decisive action against even a police force who were the ones brutalizing them. Hmmmm! I wonder why that it? Wouldn't it only be a racist who expects Blacks not to respond to racism? Of course you are a racist.

    "Haha, exactly as I mentioned above:
    "you probably WILL be accused of racism, islamophobia…"
    Protectors of The Clay are sooo predictable. Greetings to America"

    Wow!!! Again why do you think this is a point, you showed you are beyond any reasonable doubt a racist. Then you acknowledged that other people would also recognize you as a racist. But then you turn round and say Boo! Because someone else noticed what I already acknowledged it means you are not a racist, even thought they show you why you are!! Is this some type of reverse psychology? Lol! 'Name yourself before anyone else can' then claim that means the other person is lying!! Lol!

    "I didn't analyze Islam a bit here"

    Really!!? You didn't? You say the only world famous Muslims are four people the USA has sold the notion of them being terrorists and tyrants then you claim that this is not some sort of personal analysis of Islam at large!! Surely it was you who made this supposition no one else. I mean is there a Google search result that labels just these men you know as famous Muslims? Who said apart from you that these are the only world famous Muslims?

    "Quoting someone isn't one-sided. Now, if I purposefully would have ignored anti-racist quotes, then yes maybe. But so far I have seen no such statements of Ali. You are still welcome to give me an anti-racist quote by Ali"

    Showing only Muhammad Ali's reply to racism while omitting anything that refers to what Muhammad Ali was responding or had to live in is of course extremely one sided to the point of being a dishonest misrepresentation. I have given you Muhammad Ali's quote against racism.

    I'll end this note by saying you have proven that you are a racist because you are against any response to White racism.

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    #636 Lemi (2011-08-01st)

    "I didn't paraphrase anything. "My enemy is the white people" is an original quote. Stop defending a racist"

    According to you fighting racism is racism, sorry dude till you do what I told you, you have not proven Ali is a racist, let alone you asking anyone to show where Ali defends racism. For Ali to defend racism he would have to justify what White racists were doing at that time in the USA or at least stay silent about it, like George Foreman did. Foreman was obviously loved by the establishment. What is clear here is you are a racist. That's why you equate fighting racism with racism. Far as you are concerned no Black should ever dare stand up against systematic abuse and racism in the USA. If Blacks do according to you it is tantamount to being a racist.

    "Considering…considering… Yup, Ali was a racist. And possibly is to this very day. If he isn't then give me one quote of Ali where he denounces his former racism"

    Here's a non racist quote from Ali considering you have not shown any example of Ali being racist;

    "Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong"

    Muhammad Ali.

    "I never said there are only 4 famous Muslims. I said there are only 4 world-famous Muslims. I doubt that many people have ever heard of even one of the guys you mention"

    It's incredible that you now purport to speak for the entire planet including Muslims on the question of who they regard as world famous. I mean do you claim they are famous because these are the ones (Idi Amin, Osama Bin Laden) who have been described as tyrants or terrorists by USA hegemony? They became famous because they were anti a Western imperialist agenda not because they were Muslim. You make no sense sir. It's like calling Hitler the most famous White man because he has been demonized for his agenda. Otherwise explain what Hitler was famous for? Was he famous for a religion he did or didn't have?

    "Spare me the notion that joining the Nation of Islam was without alternative"

    Is this even a point? I mean what exactly is your point here? Are you claiming joining Nation of Islam is itself a racist act!!? Which means you can prove that Nation of Islam was made for the sole purpose of offending and persecuting White people! Show your evidence of this. Show that nothing precipitated the formation of Nation Islam that it was just a group who said lets find a way to keep the White man down.

    "Is that some kind of "Oh, I know a really friendly drug-dealing communist" type of counter-argument?"

    I think you should really be asking if your argument is that Black people should roll over and accept racism without ever daring to fight back type argument. Isn't that what you are saying? In this context why stop at calling Ali racist why don't you call MLK a racist too and just about everyone who fought for equality. MLK said loads of things which I'm sure someone like you would consider racist to White people. Note he too was fighting racism.

    "I did nothing of the sort"

    I think you have real issues to deal with here, first its your blind denial of the racism suffered by Blacks like Muhammad Ali. You refuse to acknowledge what mobilized Blacks into realizing they must make decisive action against even a police force who were the ones brutalizing them. Hmmmm! I wonder why that it? Wouldn't it only be a racist who expects Blacks not to respond to racism? Of course you are a racist.

    "Haha, exactly as I mentioned above:
    "you probably WILL be accused of racism, islamophobia…"
    Protectors of The Clay are sooo predictable. Greetings to America"

    Wow!!! Again, why do you think this is a point, you showed you are beyond any reasonable doubt a racist. Then you acknowledged that other people would also recognize you as a racist. But then you turn round and say hey! Because someone else noticed what I already acknowledged it means they are wrong and you are not a racist!! Lol! You have admitted what you are leave it at that.

    Or is this some sort of reverse psychology? 'Name yourself before anyone else can' then claim that means the other person is lying!

    "I didn't analyze Islam a bit here"

    Really!!? You didn't? You say the only world famous Muslims are four people the USA has sold the notion of them being terrorists and tyrants then you claim that this is not some sort of personal analysis of Islam at large!! Surely it was you who made this supposition no one else. I mean is there a Google search result that labels just these men as famous Muslims? Who said apart from you that these are the only world famous Muslims?

    "Quoting someone isn't one-sided. Now, if I purposefully would have ignored anti-racist quotes, then yes maybe. But so far I have seen no such statements of Ali. You are still welcome to give me an anti-racist quote by Ali"

    Showing only Muhammad Ali's reply to racism while omitting anything that refers to what Muhammad Ali was responding or had to live with is of course extremely one sided, to the point of being a dishonest misrepresentation. I have given you Muhammad Ali's quote against racism.

    I'll end this note by saying you have proven that you are a racist because you are against any response to White racism.

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    #970 Syed (2011-09-15th)

    LOL

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    #971 Syed (2011-09-15th)

    The person who wrote this article has done a great job of displaying his ignorance and prejudice.

    The first section reveals the writer is an uneducated Islamophobe, almost certainly of Jewish origin.

    Subsequent sections show complete ignorance of the origins of Ali's name and of his current beliefs. Even more owrrying for a boxing blog, the analysis of Ali's boxing talent is laughable.

    This is what happens when people are too lazy to research properly, but motivated just enough to watch a few YouTube interviews.

    The funniest thing of all is the copyright notice at the bottom of this page. "All Right Reserved"? Lol why would anyone want to copy this??

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      #1164 Admin (2011-09-24th)
      Subsequent sections show complete ignorance of the origins of Ali's name and of his current beliefs.

      Don't kill the messenger.

      The first section reveals the writer is an uneducated Islamophobe, almost certainly of Jewish origin.

      And what did I write at the end of the first section?

      Let's repeat it here because it's unbelievable:

      So, yes, since it's so easy to become a Nazi or a racist nowadays you probably WILL be accused of

      * racism
      * islamophobia
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      when you criticize Ali or when you happen to like the Klitschkos.

      …and, yes, AliFans are that predictable!

      Yes, Syed, you are an utterly predictable typical AliFant.

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        #3888 Honza (2012-04-23rd)

        And you are predictable racist Admin.

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    #1243 you (2011-09-28th)

    Racism is racism regardless of when it occurs. Ali is black version of a KKK member. He hates white people and wishes they would all die and hang. I am not sorry about his disease. This man deserved it for all the hate he has spewed in his career. I've heard so many things that supporters of this racist say – everything from "oh, it was a different time" to "it was all just a part of his act" to "whites were racist at that time too". None of those things excuse his racist behavior – because some one else is racist you be racist? Ever heard of taking the high road? Ali was a racist and this is a fact. It doesn't take long to go through the old interviews of Ali to verify this and anyone can do the same. I hope nothing but the worst for anyone who thinks Ali is a hero since they too are racist scum and part of the reason races still hate each other so much and people still don't get along.

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    #1430 Honza (2011-10-05th)

    Now I am finally relaxed because the guy from Britain. Thank you very much my friend. You just show as that this so great Admin is just one big Ali hater and nothing else. He called you Alifant because he could not come with anything more.

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    #2197 Arnie Shayvurz (2011-11-14th)

    He's an entertaining piece of sh*t for sure. I hope he starts boxing again, that would be fun to watch.

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    #3774 Bruce Crichton (2012-02-21st)

    It was on a documentary of the 'Thrilla in Manila' fight, shown in Britain in 2008, that Ali was shown to have met up with the KKK and, in fact, his view of race relations is the same as theirs.

    Ali also launched into a breath-taking racist rant on a chat show presented by David Frost, in the 1970's. The fact is that the author of this site is correct and that Ali is a racist.

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      #3818 Honza (2012-03-07th)

      Author called Ali a racist within racistic context. And if Muhammad is racist why he was good friend with so many white people (George Chuvalo, Angelo Dundee, Howard Cossell)?

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        #4985 Bruce Crichton (2012-09-26th)

        The simple reason he was friends with so many white people was because he's thick.

        Why go on TV and rant and rave about white people being evil when you actually work with quite a lot of them?

        The man is a plum.

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    #3783 rrr (2012-02-23rd)

    This website lost all credability

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    #3816 Honza (2012-03-07th)

    Here's a non racist quote from Ali considering you have not shown any example of Ali being racist;

    "Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong"
    Sorry for me copying another fella example of Alis non racist quote.
    Admin is not always correct.

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    #4986 Bruce Crichton (2012-09-26th)

    http://www.louisville.com/content/does-muhammad-ali-really-remember-joe-frazier-respect-opinion-arena

    Have a read of this. This is a newspaper article from Ali's home town. It's not as if they're going to be biased against him.

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      #5003 Honza (2012-10-09th)

      Nice article. But maybe it will be more popular by all ali haters who are increasing in numbers. Spitting on ali because he is now in such a terrible state is wrong. He is definetly shell of his former self. I saw video from Joe funeral. He really looks like zombie now. That does not change a fact that he is a hero for most of people and he deserces that. It is very easy bashing him for his arguments and acts. For example: he was sexist. Yes and show me another superstar who is not? he was racist. Yes in america of 60s and 70s it was maybe only answer to white racism.

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        #5399 Bruce Crichton (2012-12-07th)

        "Spitting on ali because he is now in such a terrible state is wrong. "

        Nothing that anyone has said is about Ali's terrible physical condition.

        The fact is that he made a number of ridiculously racist statements when he was young and healthy and these are a matter of record.

        Simples.

        "Yes and show me another superstar who is not? he was racist. Yes in america of 60s and 70s it was maybe only answer to white racism."

        No, it wasn't the answer to white racism and two wrongs never made a right. Martin Luther King's approach was the correct one.

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          #5465 Honza (2013-01-03rd)

          And what abou saying that world most muslims are tyrants and terorists? author of this article is judging muslims and showing his racism and you are defending him.

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            #5569 Tommo (2013-03-19th)

            Yeah author DOES take liberties in certain areas, we all know and NEVER admits it lol (sorry mate :)) Very entertaining for boxers to read but walks a fine line where being "objective" is concerned haha :)

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    #5004 Honza (2012-10-09th)

    Sorry for my english

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    #5478 BlackXMessiah (2013-01-21st)

    go rape some kids crackkker

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    #5568 Tommo (2013-03-19th)

    So yeah you make some fair points on Ali's character. Whilst I'm inclined to agree that you may be correct in what you say about him, I don't see what this has to do with his boxing performance all that much. But since it is the topic of the article, I think a lot of other boxers could have been considered to have some sinister personality defects (Mike Tyson springs to mind) as well. I can tell you prefer the more gentlemanly approach in a fighter but I'd say more often than not a pro-boxer would have more of a discordant personality than Dr. Steelhammer or Ironfist possess. After all Ali was not just a prize fighter but also an entertainer. He was the best at that (until aforementioned Mike Tyson lol). Anyway anyone who seriously thinks about Alis boxing ability must know deep down that he was tremendously lucky against foreman and probably couldn't be a top competitor against modern heavies, that much should be obvious. But if he IS a racist and a megalomaniac, he probably shouldn't share that position alone. Ali just had the biggest mouth lol.

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      #5755 Tommo (2013-03-29th)

      And like one of your intelligent detractors pointed out, Ali never actually oppressed anybody or did anything barbaric. Implying he is a megalomaniac like Hitler or Stalin is a little over the top lol.

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        #6349 Honza (2013-07-19th)

        Thank you Carl. I know you are not a fan of Ali but I like the fact that you are able to defend him when he deserves that.

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    #6832 George Collins (2013-12-17th)

    All one needs to do to become a racist is be around a large, random sample of blacks for longer than a couple hours.

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      #6979 Tommo (2014-01-21st)

      Hahaha… It's politically incorrect but unfortunately it's SOO true!

      It's our fault really. We subjected them suddenly to tens of thousands of years of social evolution and then removed our ability to chastise them when they behaved antisocially. :mrgreen:

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    #7067 damian marley (2014-03-21st)

    this article is pathetic, muslims clearly weren't responsible for 9/11 why should ali be apologetic, only a simpleton would not realise that 9/11 was implemented by the american government, to rally the brain-dead masses of countries such as america behind the guise of "fighting terrorism". i.e plundering resource rich countries and murdering their populations, Also when you consider the times ali was living in is it surprising that as a black man he would be drawn towards the ideologies laid out by the nation of islam, I am white myself but to experience the predujices that white people imposed on black people in those times, i would hate white people. You sound extremely jealous, nobody talks about your accomplishment and to be honest you sound like a racist yourself

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    #7068 donnie johnson (2014-03-21st)

    this article is pathetic, and the admin is clearly the racist, muslims weren't responsible for 9/11 ali has no reason to apologise. pin your blame on the jews who control america and stood to benefit from the ability to ravage resource rich countries and murder millions, under the guise of "fighting terrorism"

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